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From: Michael Gorven <michael@gorven.za.net>
To: The development of GRUB 2 <grub-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: TPM support status ?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:38:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200908200938.26095.michael@gorven.za.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d7ead6de0908191325j2c4bed9ela14332828d7cadab@mail.gmail.com>

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On Wednesday 19 August 2009 22:25:00 Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko wrote:
> > 99% of people with this use case are not going to put their BIOS chip in
> > concrete. Configuring a TPM chip a lot easier.
>
> 98% of people in this case don't really care if they are secure or not.

I said "with this use case".

> >> Then I wait that you enter you password and leave machine unattended
> >> and execute my cold boot attack. If you never left machine unattended
> >> you don't need a chip to ensure the integrity.
> >
> > That's a completely different issue which you don't have a solution to
> > either.
>
> And which makes all the hassle around TPM worth nothing

Cold boot attacks can be mitigated somewhat because the BIOS would be 
configured to only boot from the harddrive. The BIOS would have to be reset 
before booting from another device, but this would break the trusted path 
which means that it has to happen during the attack itself.

Michael

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-20  7:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-19 11:00 TPM support status ? Emmanuel Fleury
2009-08-19 11:51 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 12:25   ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 12:42     ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 13:24       ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 13:48         ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 19:49           ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:13             ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 14:01         ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 19:53           ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:15             ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 16:17             ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 14:10         ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 15:44         ` Isaac Dupree
2009-08-19 17:20           ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 17:25           ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 17:39             ` Isaac Dupree
2009-08-19 18:01             ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 18:36               ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 18:48                 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:13                   ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:25                     ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20  7:38                       ` Michael Gorven [this message]
2009-08-20 10:15                         ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 10:22                           ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 10:29                             ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 16:36                               ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 20:03               ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:18                 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 14:42     ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 20:16       ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:27         ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:33           ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:34             ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:45           ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-20 16:09           ` Robert Millan
2009-08-20 16:17             ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 16:13           ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 14:34 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 16:33 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 17:04   ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 18:13     ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 18:37       ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 19:16         ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 19:28           ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:13             ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 20:22               ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:37                 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 20:42                   ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-19 20:57                     ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 21:00                       ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 21:07                         ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 23:39                         ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-19 20:44                   ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20  7:40                     ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 10:19                       ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 19:21         ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20  7:41           ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20  7:49             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20  7:52               ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20  7:59                 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20  8:07                   ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20  8:20                     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20  8:33                       ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 10:21                         ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 10:58                         ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 11:15                           ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 11:24                             ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 11:38                               ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 13:06                                 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 16:31                           ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-20 17:47                             ` about smartcards (Re: TPM support status ?) Robert Millan
2009-08-20 18:35                               ` decoder
2009-08-20 19:48                                 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 20:02                                 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-20 20:11                                   ` decoder
2009-08-20 20:24                                     ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 20:30                                     ` Robert Millan
2009-08-20 20:16                             ` TPM support status ? Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 17:50                           ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-21 11:42                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 16:48             ` Robert Millan
2009-08-20 16:20   ` Robert Millan

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