From: Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com>
To: The development of GRUB 2 <grub-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: TPM support status ?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:01:39 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090819140139.GA4210@thorin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200908191524.42432.michael@gorven.za.net>
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 03:24:34PM +0200, Michael Gorven wrote:
> > > The only valid argument I see against TPM is the
> > > supporting-possibly-harmful-technology one. But then we shouldn't use
> > > crypto at all because it can be used for DRM...
> >
> > It's not just "possibly harmful", it's "designed with harm in the mind".
>
> Disagree.
Can you give a reason not to provide the owner with any of:
- A printed copy of the private key corresponding to the chip he paid for.
- A button in the back of the chip that disables "hostile mode" and makes
it sign everything that was asked for (so-called "owner override")
...other than implementing features that restrict the owner?
--
Robert Millan
The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and
how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we
still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-08-19 14:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-08-19 11:00 TPM support status ? Emmanuel Fleury
2009-08-19 11:51 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 12:25 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 12:42 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 13:24 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 13:48 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 19:49 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:13 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 14:01 ` Robert Millan [this message]
2009-08-19 19:53 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:15 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 16:17 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 14:10 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 15:44 ` Isaac Dupree
2009-08-19 17:20 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 17:25 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 17:39 ` Isaac Dupree
2009-08-19 18:01 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 18:36 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 18:48 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:13 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:25 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 7:38 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 10:15 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 10:22 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 10:29 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 16:36 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 20:03 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:18 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 14:42 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 20:16 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:27 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:33 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:34 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:45 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-20 16:09 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-20 16:17 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 16:13 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 14:34 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 16:33 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 17:04 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 18:13 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 18:37 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 19:16 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 19:28 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:13 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 20:22 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:37 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 20:42 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-19 20:57 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 21:00 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 21:07 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 23:39 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-19 20:44 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 7:40 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 10:19 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 19:21 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 7:41 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 7:49 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 7:52 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 7:59 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 8:07 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 8:20 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 8:33 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 10:21 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 10:58 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 11:15 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 11:24 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 11:38 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 13:06 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 16:31 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-20 17:47 ` about smartcards (Re: TPM support status ?) Robert Millan
2009-08-20 18:35 ` decoder
2009-08-20 19:48 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 20:02 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-20 20:11 ` decoder
2009-08-20 20:24 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 20:30 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-20 20:16 ` TPM support status ? Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 17:50 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-21 11:42 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 16:48 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-20 16:20 ` Robert Millan
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