From: Michael Gorven <michael@gorven.za.net>
To: The development of GRUB 2 <grub-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: TPM support status ?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:33:13 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200908201033.21202.michael@gorven.za.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a5d587fb0908200120u631f3ae7o8819e12fad3aa042@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thursday 20 August 2009 10:20:02 Michal Suchanek wrote:
> 2009/8/20 Michael Gorven <michael@gorven.za.net>:
> > On Thursday 20 August 2009 09:59:42 Michal Suchanek wrote:
> >> 2009/8/20 Michael Gorven <michael@gorven.za.net>:
> >> > On Thursday 20 August 2009 09:49:06 Michal Suchanek wrote:
> >> >> 2009/8/20 Michael Gorven <michael@gorven.za.net>:
> >> >> > On Wednesday 19 August 2009 21:21:28 Michal Suchanek wrote:
> >> >> >> Tell me one technical benefit of TPM over coreboot.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Coreboot doesn't provide protected storage of secrets (e.g.
> >> >> > harddrive decryption keys).
> >> >>
> >> >> TPM does not either at the time the BIOS is loaded. Remember, it's
> >> >> the CPU what's running the BIOS, not the TPM chip.
> >> >>
> >> >> Only after BIOS enables TPM or coreboot enables any crypto device you
> >> >> choose you get any secrets or keys.
> >> >
> >> > So? It's still protected storage. You can read a BIOS chip, but you
> >> > can't just read the contents of a TPM chip.
> >>
> >> You can use decent crypto storage rather than half-broken TPM. There
> >> is no advantage to using it.
> >
> > Like what?
>
> There is hardware for secure key storage which you can put into some
> card slot or USB and unlike TPM you can also remove it and store
> separately from the computer which greatly decreases the chance that
> your data would be compromised if your computer is stolen.
But that doesn't protect the machine (and crypto card) from being physically
compromised, so it's not the same as TPM.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-08-20 8:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-08-19 11:00 TPM support status ? Emmanuel Fleury
2009-08-19 11:51 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 12:25 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 12:42 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 13:24 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 13:48 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 19:49 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:13 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 14:01 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 19:53 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:15 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 16:17 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 14:10 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 15:44 ` Isaac Dupree
2009-08-19 17:20 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 17:25 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 17:39 ` Isaac Dupree
2009-08-19 18:01 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 18:36 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 18:48 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:13 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:25 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 7:38 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 10:15 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 10:22 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 10:29 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 16:36 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 20:03 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:18 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 14:42 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 20:16 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:27 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:33 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:34 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:45 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-20 16:09 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-20 16:17 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 16:13 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 14:34 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 16:33 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 17:04 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 18:13 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 18:37 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 19:16 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 19:28 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:13 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 20:22 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:37 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 20:42 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-19 20:57 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 21:00 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 21:07 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 23:39 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-19 20:44 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 7:40 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 10:19 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 19:21 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 7:41 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 7:49 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 7:52 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 7:59 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 8:07 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 8:20 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 8:33 ` Michael Gorven [this message]
2009-08-20 10:21 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 10:58 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 11:15 ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 11:24 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 11:38 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 13:06 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 16:31 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-20 17:47 ` about smartcards (Re: TPM support status ?) Robert Millan
2009-08-20 18:35 ` decoder
2009-08-20 19:48 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 20:02 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-20 20:11 ` decoder
2009-08-20 20:24 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 20:30 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-20 20:16 ` TPM support status ? Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 17:50 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-21 11:42 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 16:48 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-20 16:20 ` Robert Millan
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