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From: Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com>
To: The development of GRUB 2 <grub-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: TPM support status ?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:13:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090820161315.GB10903@thorin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d7ead6de0908191327k5ccb757fl7caedb05ac38d094@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:27:59PM +0200, Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko wrote:
> >> Right, but we're defending the rights of the legitimate owner of that
> >> device,
> >> which doesn't have to be the same as the end user (e.g. kiosk).
> >
> > I don't see how you're defending the owner's rights. If the owner wants to
> > lock down the device then they should be able to.
> kiosks are physically protected

I can lock devices just fine without ressorting to appointing someone else as
manager of my crypto chain.

TPM itself does *nothing* to lock down devices.  If using a TPM for this
purpose is more convenient, that's only because of artificial reasons.

-- 
Robert Millan

  The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and
  how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we
  still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."



  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-08-20 16:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-19 11:00 TPM support status ? Emmanuel Fleury
2009-08-19 11:51 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 12:25   ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 12:42     ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 13:24       ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 13:48         ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 19:49           ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:13             ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 14:01         ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 19:53           ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:15             ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 16:17             ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 14:10         ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 15:44         ` Isaac Dupree
2009-08-19 17:20           ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 17:25           ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 17:39             ` Isaac Dupree
2009-08-19 18:01             ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 18:36               ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 18:48                 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:13                   ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:25                     ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20  7:38                       ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 10:15                         ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 10:22                           ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 10:29                             ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 16:36                               ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 20:03               ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:18                 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 14:42     ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 20:16       ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:27         ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:33           ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-19 20:34             ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:45           ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-20 16:09           ` Robert Millan
2009-08-20 16:17             ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 16:13           ` Robert Millan [this message]
2009-08-19 14:34 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-19 16:33 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 17:04   ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 18:13     ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 18:37       ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 19:16         ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 19:28           ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:13             ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 20:22               ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 20:37                 ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 20:42                   ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-19 20:57                     ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 21:00                       ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 21:07                         ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-19 23:39                         ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-19 20:44                   ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20  7:40                     ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 10:19                       ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-19 19:21         ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20  7:41           ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20  7:49             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20  7:52               ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20  7:59                 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20  8:07                   ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20  8:20                     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20  8:33                       ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 10:21                         ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 10:58                         ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 11:15                           ` Michael Gorven
2009-08-20 11:24                             ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 11:38                               ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 13:06                                 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 16:31                           ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-20 17:47                             ` about smartcards (Re: TPM support status ?) Robert Millan
2009-08-20 18:35                               ` decoder
2009-08-20 19:48                                 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 20:02                                 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-20 20:11                                   ` decoder
2009-08-20 20:24                                     ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 20:30                                     ` Robert Millan
2009-08-20 20:16                             ` TPM support status ? Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-20 17:50                           ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-08-21 11:42                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-08-20 16:48             ` Robert Millan
2009-08-20 16:20   ` Robert Millan

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