From: "Theodore Tso" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Akilesh Kailash <akailash@google.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] f2fs: another way to set large folio by remembering inode number
Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 11:57:48 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260521155748.GA79343@macsyma-wired.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ag7HfNryTmQ-bVIS@infradead.org>
On Thu, May 21, 2026 at 01:51:08AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > You haven't sent a proposal. This is a reply to a reply to a reply of a
> > patch. There's no justification for why f2fs is so special that it
> > needs this. What the hell is going on? You know this is not the way to
> > get code merged into Linux.
>
> None of this got properly answers, and this broken interface now landed
> in linux-next. IT is offloading a user.* xattr which is free-form
> user data with semantics that are weird to say it very nicely.
>
> All this was done against the advice in the mailing list discussion.
So let me get this straight. This is a magic xattr interface which is
not even persisted in the file system, but instead sets a 32-bit
bitmask in the struct inode which disappears once the inode gets
flushed from the inode stack. And it uses a generic xattr name,
"user.fadvise".
There's no way in *hell* any other file system is likely to adopt such
a broken interface, so why didn't you just use an ioctl to set this
magic f2fs-specific flag?
> I think at some point we just need to stop taking f2fs updates likes
> this.
Well, that's ultiamtely up to Linus. I'll say that if I were Linus
(and I'm glad I'm not :-), and I saw this in a pull request, I'd
reject it out of hand. But whether it's worth making a huge fuss and
asking escalating this mess to Linus, we probably should get a bit
more community consensus before taking such a drastic step.
Christian, since you're one of the VFS maintaienrs, what's your
opinion about escalating this to Linus?
- Ted
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From: "Theodore Tso" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Akilesh Kailash <akailash@google.com>,
Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v2] f2fs: another way to set large folio by remembering inode number
Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 11:57:48 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260521155748.GA79343@macsyma-wired.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ag7HfNryTmQ-bVIS@infradead.org>
On Thu, May 21, 2026 at 01:51:08AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > You haven't sent a proposal. This is a reply to a reply to a reply of a
> > patch. There's no justification for why f2fs is so special that it
> > needs this. What the hell is going on? You know this is not the way to
> > get code merged into Linux.
>
> None of this got properly answers, and this broken interface now landed
> in linux-next. IT is offloading a user.* xattr which is free-form
> user data with semantics that are weird to say it very nicely.
>
> All this was done against the advice in the mailing list discussion.
So let me get this straight. This is a magic xattr interface which is
not even persisted in the file system, but instead sets a 32-bit
bitmask in the struct inode which disappears once the inode gets
flushed from the inode stack. And it uses a generic xattr name,
"user.fadvise".
There's no way in *hell* any other file system is likely to adopt such
a broken interface, so why didn't you just use an ioctl to set this
magic f2fs-specific flag?
> I think at some point we just need to stop taking f2fs updates likes
> this.
Well, that's ultiamtely up to Linus. I'll say that if I were Linus
(and I'm glad I'm not :-), and I saw this in a pull request, I'd
reject it out of hand. But whether it's worth making a huge fuss and
asking escalating this mess to Linus, we probably should get a bit
more community consensus before taking such a drastic step.
Christian, since you're one of the VFS maintaienrs, what's your
opinion about escalating this to Linus?
- Ted
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2026-04-09 13:45 [f2fs-dev] [PATCH] f2fs: another way to set large folio by remembering inode number Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-09 13:45 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-10 1:16 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v2] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-10 1:16 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-14 8:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-14 8:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-15 16:44 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-15 16:44 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-15 17:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-15 17:15 ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-15 22:02 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-15 22:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-15 23:49 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-15 23:49 ` [f2fs-dev] " Darrick J. Wong via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-16 1:19 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-16 1:19 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-21 8:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-21 8:51 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-21 15:57 ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2026-05-21 15:57 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-21 17:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-21 17:42 ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-22 3:59 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 3:59 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 12:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-22 12:55 ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-22 14:04 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 14:04 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-25 5:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-25 5:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-26 1:21 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 1:21 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26 2:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-26 2:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-26 3:47 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 3:47 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 6:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 6:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 6:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 6:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 15:42 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-27 15:42 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-25 5:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-25 5:34 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-22 3:32 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 3:32 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 3:53 ` Eric Biggers
2026-05-22 3:53 ` Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 4:02 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 4:02 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 10:01 ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-22 10:01 ` Christian Brauner via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 14:11 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-22 14:11 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-22 17:08 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 17:08 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 22:41 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-22 22:41 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-26 1:10 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 1:10 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26 2:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-26 2:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-26 3:34 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 3:34 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26 3:35 ` Randy Dunlap
2026-05-26 3:35 ` Randy Dunlap
2026-05-26 4:12 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 4:12 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26 13:42 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-26 13:42 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-26 16:14 ` Bart Van Assche
2026-05-26 16:14 ` Bart Van Assche via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 6:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 6:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 15:59 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-27 15:59 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-29 5:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-29 5:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-31 0:12 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-31 0:12 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-31 5:28 ` Barry Song
2026-05-31 5:28 ` Barry Song via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-06-01 1:52 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-06-01 1:52 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26 21:52 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 21:52 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 1:21 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-27 1:21 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-27 2:43 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-27 2:43 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 3:30 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-27 3:30 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-27 15:39 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-27 15:39 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 6:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 6:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 1:15 ` Bart Van Assche via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 1:15 ` Bart Van Assche
2026-05-28 19:36 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-28 19:36 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-31 0:35 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-31 0:35 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-25 5:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-25 5:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-22 9:59 ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-22 9:59 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christian Brauner via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-15 16:41 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-15 16:41 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-17 0:58 ` Chao Yu via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-17 0:58 ` Chao Yu
2026-04-17 16:54 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-17 16:54 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-18 1:08 ` Chao Yu via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-18 1:08 ` Chao Yu
2026-04-18 1:11 ` Chao Yu via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-18 1:11 ` Chao Yu
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