From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Akilesh Kailash <akailash@google.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>,
Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v2] f2fs: another way to set large folio by remembering inode number
Date: Tue, 26 May 2026 23:26:45 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ahaOpdw7NgsWe8J4@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ahUF7HqSKFJ422bU@casper.infradead.org>
On Tue, May 26, 2026 at 03:31:08AM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > And what are you trying to say us with that?
> >
> > This means, high-order pages were used up by EROFS which sets large folio by
> > default. So, I wanted to say the concern was based on actual data which was what
> > Mattew asked.
>
> This isn't that though. What you actually need is to show that high order
> allocations are _failing_.
Exactly.
> If what you want is large folios readily available, then what you want
> is large folios used _everywhere_ because then they're easy to get!
Yes.
> If there's small folios in use, you need to reclaim a lot of memory in
> order to reassemble large folios (it's the birthday paradox, similar to
> the hash collision problem).
Yeah. Although it seems we have an issue with > order costly folios
at the moment, but we should fix this.
And f2fs really needs to up the game and support large folios fully
so that we can run that kind of analysis there as well, without this
all this is just piling hacks on top of other hacks.
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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Akilesh Kailash <akailash@google.com>,
Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v2] f2fs: another way to set large folio by remembering inode number
Date: Tue, 26 May 2026 23:26:45 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ahaOpdw7NgsWe8J4@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ahUF7HqSKFJ422bU@casper.infradead.org>
On Tue, May 26, 2026 at 03:31:08AM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > And what are you trying to say us with that?
> >
> > This means, high-order pages were used up by EROFS which sets large folio by
> > default. So, I wanted to say the concern was based on actual data which was what
> > Mattew asked.
>
> This isn't that though. What you actually need is to show that high order
> allocations are _failing_.
Exactly.
> If what you want is large folios readily available, then what you want
> is large folios used _everywhere_ because then they're easy to get!
Yes.
> If there's small folios in use, you need to reclaim a lot of memory in
> order to reassemble large folios (it's the birthday paradox, similar to
> the hash collision problem).
Yeah. Although it seems we have an issue with > order costly folios
at the moment, but we should fix this.
And f2fs really needs to up the game and support large folios fully
so that we can run that kind of analysis there as well, without this
all this is just piling hacks on top of other hacks.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-27 6:27 UTC|newest]
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2026-04-09 13:45 [f2fs-dev] [PATCH] f2fs: another way to set large folio by remembering inode number Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-09 13:45 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-10 1:16 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v2] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-10 1:16 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-14 8:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-14 8:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-15 16:44 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-15 16:44 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-15 17:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-15 17:15 ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-15 22:02 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-15 22:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-15 23:49 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-15 23:49 ` [f2fs-dev] " Darrick J. Wong via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-16 1:19 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-16 1:19 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-21 8:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-21 8:51 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-21 15:57 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-21 15:57 ` [f2fs-dev] " Theodore Tso
2026-05-21 17:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-21 17:42 ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-22 3:59 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 3:59 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 12:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-22 12:55 ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-22 14:04 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 14:04 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-25 5:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-25 5:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-26 1:21 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 1:21 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26 2:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-26 2:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-26 3:47 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 3:47 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 6:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 6:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 6:26 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2026-05-27 6:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 15:42 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-27 15:42 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-25 5:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-25 5:34 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-22 3:32 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 3:32 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 3:53 ` Eric Biggers
2026-05-22 3:53 ` Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 4:02 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 4:02 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 10:01 ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-22 10:01 ` Christian Brauner via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 14:11 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-22 14:11 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-22 17:08 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 17:08 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 22:41 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-22 22:41 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-26 1:10 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 1:10 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26 2:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-26 2:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-26 3:34 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 3:34 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26 3:35 ` Randy Dunlap
2026-05-26 3:35 ` Randy Dunlap
2026-05-26 4:12 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 4:12 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26 13:42 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-26 13:42 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-26 16:14 ` Bart Van Assche
2026-05-26 16:14 ` Bart Van Assche via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 6:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 6:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 15:59 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-27 15:59 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-29 5:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-29 5:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-31 0:12 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-31 0:12 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-31 5:28 ` Barry Song
2026-05-31 5:28 ` Barry Song via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-06-01 1:52 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-06-01 1:52 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26 21:52 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 21:52 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 1:21 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-27 1:21 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-27 2:43 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-27 2:43 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 3:30 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-27 3:30 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-27 15:39 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-27 15:39 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 6:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 6:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 1:15 ` Bart Van Assche via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 1:15 ` Bart Van Assche
2026-05-28 19:36 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-28 19:36 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-31 0:35 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-31 0:35 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-25 5:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-25 5:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-22 9:59 ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-22 9:59 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christian Brauner via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-15 16:41 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-15 16:41 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-17 0:58 ` Chao Yu via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-17 0:58 ` Chao Yu
2026-04-17 16:54 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-17 16:54 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-18 1:08 ` Chao Yu via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-18 1:08 ` Chao Yu
2026-04-18 1:11 ` Chao Yu via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-18 1:11 ` Chao Yu
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