From: Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Akilesh Kailash <akailash@google.com>,
Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v2] f2fs: another way to set large folio by remembering inode number
Date: Fri, 22 May 2026 04:02:05 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ag_VPae3w2z_SXD9@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260522035331.GE5937@quark>
On 05/21, Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel wrote:
> On Fri, May 22, 2026 at 03:32:39AM +0000, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > On 05/21, Theodore Tso wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 21, 2026 at 01:51:08AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > > > You haven't sent a proposal. This is a reply to a reply to a reply of a
> > > > > patch. There's no justification for why f2fs is so special that it
> > > > > needs this. What the hell is going on? You know this is not the way to
> > > > > get code merged into Linux.
> > > >
> > > > None of this got properly answers, and this broken interface now landed
> > > > in linux-next. IT is offloading a user.* xattr which is free-form
> > > > user data with semantics that are weird to say it very nicely.
> > > >
> > > > All this was done against the advice in the mailing list discussion.
> > >
> > > So let me get this straight. This is a magic xattr interface which is
> > > not even persisted in the file system, but instead sets a 32-bit
> > > bitmask in the struct inode which disappears once the inode gets
> > > flushed from the inode stack. And it uses a generic xattr name,
> > > "user.fadvise".
> > >
> > > There's no way in *hell* any other file system is likely to adopt such
> > > a broken interface, so why didn't you just use an ioctl to set this
> > > magic f2fs-specific flag?
> >
> > I went this route because Android heavily restricts ioctl() permissions
> > and we needed broader access for this to work within the framework.
>
> It's straightforward (2 lines I think) to update Android's SELinux
> policy to allow an ioctl in all domains. So that doesn't seem like a
> reason to not use an ioctl. In fact this is actually a reason *to* use
> an ioctl, as it shows that ioctls can be allowed/denied independently as
> needed, whereas xattrs just use the file write permission.
Ok, that's also great news to me.
>
> - Eric
>
>
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From: Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel <linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Akilesh Kailash <akailash@google.com>,
Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v2] f2fs: another way to set large folio by remembering inode number
Date: Fri, 22 May 2026 04:02:05 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ag_VPae3w2z_SXD9@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260522035331.GE5937@quark>
On 05/21, Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel wrote:
> On Fri, May 22, 2026 at 03:32:39AM +0000, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > On 05/21, Theodore Tso wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 21, 2026 at 01:51:08AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > > > You haven't sent a proposal. This is a reply to a reply to a reply of a
> > > > > patch. There's no justification for why f2fs is so special that it
> > > > > needs this. What the hell is going on? You know this is not the way to
> > > > > get code merged into Linux.
> > > >
> > > > None of this got properly answers, and this broken interface now landed
> > > > in linux-next. IT is offloading a user.* xattr which is free-form
> > > > user data with semantics that are weird to say it very nicely.
> > > >
> > > > All this was done against the advice in the mailing list discussion.
> > >
> > > So let me get this straight. This is a magic xattr interface which is
> > > not even persisted in the file system, but instead sets a 32-bit
> > > bitmask in the struct inode which disappears once the inode gets
> > > flushed from the inode stack. And it uses a generic xattr name,
> > > "user.fadvise".
> > >
> > > There's no way in *hell* any other file system is likely to adopt such
> > > a broken interface, so why didn't you just use an ioctl to set this
> > > magic f2fs-specific flag?
> >
> > I went this route because Android heavily restricts ioctl() permissions
> > and we needed broader access for this to work within the framework.
>
> It's straightforward (2 lines I think) to update Android's SELinux
> policy to allow an ioctl in all domains. So that doesn't seem like a
> reason to not use an ioctl. In fact this is actually a reason *to* use
> an ioctl, as it shows that ioctls can be allowed/denied independently as
> needed, whereas xattrs just use the file write permission.
Ok, that's also great news to me.
>
> - Eric
>
>
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2026-04-09 13:45 [f2fs-dev] [PATCH] f2fs: another way to set large folio by remembering inode number Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-09 13:45 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-10 1:16 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v2] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-10 1:16 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-14 8:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-14 8:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-15 16:44 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-15 16:44 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-15 17:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-15 17:15 ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-15 22:02 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-15 22:02 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-15 23:49 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-15 23:49 ` [f2fs-dev] " Darrick J. Wong via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-16 1:19 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-16 1:19 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-21 8:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-21 8:51 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-21 15:57 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-21 15:57 ` [f2fs-dev] " Theodore Tso
2026-05-21 17:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-21 17:42 ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-22 3:59 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 3:59 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 12:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-22 12:55 ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-22 14:04 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 14:04 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-25 5:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-25 5:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-26 1:21 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 1:21 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26 2:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-26 2:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-26 3:47 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 3:47 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 6:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 6:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 6:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 6:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 15:42 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-27 15:42 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-25 5:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-25 5:34 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-22 3:32 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 3:32 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 3:53 ` Eric Biggers
2026-05-22 3:53 ` Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 4:02 ` Jaegeuk Kim [this message]
2026-05-22 4:02 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 10:01 ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-22 10:01 ` Christian Brauner via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 14:11 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-22 14:11 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-22 17:08 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 17:08 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 22:41 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-22 22:41 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-26 1:10 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 1:10 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26 2:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-26 2:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-26 3:34 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 3:34 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26 3:35 ` Randy Dunlap
2026-05-26 3:35 ` Randy Dunlap
2026-05-26 4:12 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 4:12 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26 13:42 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-26 13:42 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-26 16:14 ` Bart Van Assche
2026-05-26 16:14 ` Bart Van Assche via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 6:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 6:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 15:59 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-27 15:59 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-29 5:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-29 5:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-31 0:12 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-31 0:12 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-31 5:28 ` Barry Song
2026-05-31 5:28 ` Barry Song via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-06-01 1:52 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-06-01 1:52 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26 21:52 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 21:52 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 1:21 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-27 1:21 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-27 2:43 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-27 2:43 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 3:30 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-27 3:30 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-27 15:39 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-27 15:39 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 6:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 6:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 1:15 ` Bart Van Assche via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27 1:15 ` Bart Van Assche
2026-05-28 19:36 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-28 19:36 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-31 0:35 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-31 0:35 ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-25 5:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-25 5:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-22 9:59 ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-22 9:59 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christian Brauner via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-15 16:41 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-15 16:41 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-17 0:58 ` Chao Yu via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-17 0:58 ` Chao Yu
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2026-04-17 16:54 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-18 1:08 ` Chao Yu via Linux-f2fs-devel
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