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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Akilesh Kailash <akailash@google.com>,
	Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v2] f2fs: another way to set large folio by remembering inode number
Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 22:53:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260522035331.GE5937@quark> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ag_OVwPF49LSZ7rz@google.com>

On Fri, May 22, 2026 at 03:32:39AM +0000, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> On 05/21, Theodore Tso wrote:
> > On Thu, May 21, 2026 at 01:51:08AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > > You haven't sent a proposal.  This is a reply to a reply to a reply of a
> > > > patch.  There's no justification for why f2fs is so special that it
> > > > needs this.  What the hell is going on?  You know this is not the way to
> > > > get code merged into Linux.
> > > 
> > > None of this got properly answers, and this broken interface now landed
> > > in linux-next. IT is offloading a user.* xattr which is free-form
> > > user data with semantics that are weird to say it very nicely.
> > > 
> > > All this was done against the advice in the mailing list discussion.
> > 
> > So let me get this straight.  This is a magic xattr interface which is
> > not even persisted in the file system, but instead sets a 32-bit
> > bitmask in the struct inode which disappears once the inode gets
> > flushed from the inode stack.  And it uses a generic xattr name,
> > "user.fadvise".
> > 
> > There's no way in *hell* any other file system is likely to adopt such
> > a broken interface, so why didn't you just use an ioctl to set this
> > magic f2fs-specific flag?
> 
> I went this route because Android heavily restricts ioctl() permissions
> and we needed broader access for this to work within the framework.

It's straightforward (2 lines I think) to update Android's SELinux
policy to allow an ioctl in all domains.  So that doesn't seem like a
reason to not use an ioctl.  In fact this is actually a reason *to* use
an ioctl, as it shows that ioctls can be allowed/denied independently as
needed, whereas xattrs just use the file write permission.

- Eric

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From: Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel <linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
To: Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Akilesh Kailash <akailash@google.com>,
	Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v2] f2fs: another way to set large folio by remembering inode number
Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 22:53:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260522035331.GE5937@quark> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ag_OVwPF49LSZ7rz@google.com>

On Fri, May 22, 2026 at 03:32:39AM +0000, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> On 05/21, Theodore Tso wrote:
> > On Thu, May 21, 2026 at 01:51:08AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > > You haven't sent a proposal.  This is a reply to a reply to a reply of a
> > > > patch.  There's no justification for why f2fs is so special that it
> > > > needs this.  What the hell is going on?  You know this is not the way to
> > > > get code merged into Linux.
> > > 
> > > None of this got properly answers, and this broken interface now landed
> > > in linux-next. IT is offloading a user.* xattr which is free-form
> > > user data with semantics that are weird to say it very nicely.
> > > 
> > > All this was done against the advice in the mailing list discussion.
> > 
> > So let me get this straight.  This is a magic xattr interface which is
> > not even persisted in the file system, but instead sets a 32-bit
> > bitmask in the struct inode which disappears once the inode gets
> > flushed from the inode stack.  And it uses a generic xattr name,
> > "user.fadvise".
> > 
> > There's no way in *hell* any other file system is likely to adopt such
> > a broken interface, so why didn't you just use an ioctl to set this
> > magic f2fs-specific flag?
> 
> I went this route because Android heavily restricts ioctl() permissions
> and we needed broader access for this to work within the framework.

It's straightforward (2 lines I think) to update Android's SELinux
policy to allow an ioctl in all domains.  So that doesn't seem like a
reason to not use an ioctl.  In fact this is actually a reason *to* use
an ioctl, as it shows that ioctls can be allowed/denied independently as
needed, whereas xattrs just use the file write permission.

- Eric


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Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-09 13:45 [f2fs-dev] [PATCH] f2fs: another way to set large folio by remembering inode number Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-09 13:45 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-10  1:16 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v2] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-10  1:16   ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-14  8:02   ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-14  8:02     ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-15 16:44     ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-15 16:44       ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-15 17:15       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-15 17:15         ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-15 22:02         ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-15 22:02           ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-15 23:49           ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-15 23:49             ` [f2fs-dev] " Darrick J. Wong via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-16  1:19             ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-16  1:19               ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-21  8:51         ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-21  8:51           ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-21 15:57           ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-21 15:57             ` [f2fs-dev] " Theodore Tso
2026-05-21 17:42             ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-21 17:42               ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-22  3:59               ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22  3:59                 ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 12:55                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-22 12:55                   ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-22 14:04                   ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 14:04                     ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-25  5:34                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-25  5:34                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-26  1:21                       ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26  1:21                         ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26  2:31                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-26  2:31                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-26  3:47                           ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26  3:47                             ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27  6:33                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27  6:33                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27  6:26                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27  6:26                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 15:42                             ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-27 15:42                               ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-25  5:34               ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-25  5:34                 ` [f2fs-dev] " Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-22  3:32             ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22  3:32               ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22  3:53               ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2026-05-22  3:53                 ` Eric Biggers via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22  4:02                 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22  4:02                   ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 10:01                 ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-22 10:01                   ` Christian Brauner via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 14:11               ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-22 14:11                 ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-22 17:08                 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 17:08                   ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-22 22:41                   ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-22 22:41                     ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-26  1:10                     ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26  1:10                       ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26  2:35                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-26  2:35                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-26  3:34                         ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26  3:34                           ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26  3:35                       ` Randy Dunlap
2026-05-26  3:35                         ` Randy Dunlap
2026-05-26  4:12                         ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26  4:12                           ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26 13:42                       ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-26 13:42                         ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-26 16:14                         ` Bart Van Assche
2026-05-26 16:14                           ` Bart Van Assche via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27  6:28                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27  6:28                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 15:59                             ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-27 15:59                               ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-29  5:36                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-29  5:36                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-31  0:12                                 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-31  0:12                                   ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-31  5:28                                   ` Barry Song
2026-05-31  5:28                                     ` Barry Song via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-06-01  1:52                                     ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-06-01  1:52                                       ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-26 21:52                         ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-26 21:52                           ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27  1:21                           ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-27  1:21                             ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-27  2:43                             ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-27  2:43                               ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27  3:30                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-27  3:30                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-27 15:39                                 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-27 15:39                                   ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27  6:31                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27  6:31                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27  1:15                         ` Bart Van Assche via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-27  1:15                           ` Bart Van Assche
2026-05-28 19:36                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-28 19:36                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-31  0:35                         ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-31  0:35                           ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-05-25  5:37               ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-25  5:37                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-22  9:59             ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-22  9:59               ` [f2fs-dev] " Christian Brauner via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-15 16:41   ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-15 16:41     ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-17  0:58   ` Chao Yu via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-17  0:58     ` Chao Yu
2026-04-17 16:54     ` Jaegeuk Kim via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-17 16:54       ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-18  1:08       ` Chao Yu via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-18  1:08         ` Chao Yu
2026-04-18  1:11   ` Chao Yu via Linux-f2fs-devel
2026-04-18  1:11     ` Chao Yu

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