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From: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
To: Jordan Justen <jljusten@gmail.com>
Cc: Carl-Daniel Hailfinger <c-d.hailfinger.devel.2006@gmx.net>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Release plan for 0.12.0
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:37:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AC672AD.2020808@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2a50f7880910021357i2b441f5flb98b1fa41c5f2150@mail.gmail.com>

Jordan Justen wrote:
> Carl-Daniel,
>
> Interesting.  So, where can I download a QEMU bios rom to boot a UEFI
> OS with this solution?
>
> Can you explain what coreboot+tianocore means?  Which parts of
> tianocore do you use in this situation?
>
> If your solution can accomplish all of what you say, I'm not sure how
> OVMF would be able to compete against in terms of being included with
> QEMU.  Part of the reason for starting OVMF was to help enable UEFI
> support within VM's such as QEMU.  If OVMF was utilized by QEMU it
> definitely would have been a bit of a boost for our efforts, but if
> QEMU accomplishes UEFI support via another path, then overall we will
> still be happy.
>   

FWIW, I looked more closely at Coreboot + SeaBIOS today.  It's much less 
functional than just SeaBIOS alone.  There really is no additional 
functionality because all payloads that Coreboot can run already run 
directly under QEMU (or under SeaBIOS).

With respect to Coreboot + SeaBIOS + UEFI, AFAIK, you cannot have 
multiple payloads without using essentially a payload switcher (like 
Bayou).  The problem with this though is your just deferring the 
EFI/BIOS choice to the user in a different place.  What we need is a 
mechanism to transparently choose UEFI or SeaBIOS depending on whether 
the guest is EFI aware.

I think option roms further complicate the matter because we would need 
a gPXE EFI module to support network boot.  That makes the switch logic 
even more complicated.  For PCI passthrough, I assume that the legacy 
option ROMs have to be loaded through a CSM so if we want to enable PCI 
passthrough, we really need a proper CSM.

-- 
Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-02 21:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 168+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-29 23:54 Release plan for 0.12.0 Anthony Liguori
2009-09-29 23:54 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30  0:20 ` Dustin Kirkland
2009-09-30  0:20   ` [Qemu-devel] " Dustin Kirkland
2009-09-30  2:18   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30  2:18     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30  2:28 ` [Qemu-devel] " Isaku Yamahata
2009-09-30  2:28   ` Isaku Yamahata
2009-09-30 13:03   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:03     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:43     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-30 13:43       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-30  5:17 ` Amit Shah
2009-09-30  5:17   ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-09-30 13:04   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:04     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:37     ` Amit Shah
2009-09-30 13:37       ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-09-30 14:47       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 14:47         ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 14:50         ` Amit Shah
2009-09-30 14:50           ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-09-30  6:41 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-09-30  6:41   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-30 13:05   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:05     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-01 21:13     ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-01 21:13       ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-03 10:04       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-05 12:43         ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-05 13:52           ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-30 13:31   ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30  8:53 ` Michael Tokarev
2009-09-30  9:01   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-30  9:31 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-09-30  9:31   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-09-30 13:07   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:07     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 15:59     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-09-30 15:59       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-09-30 19:25       ` Blue Swirl
2009-09-30 13:30 ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30 13:30   ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30 14:45   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 14:45     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 15:03     ` Fred Leeflang
2009-09-30 15:03       ` [Qemu-devel] " Fred Leeflang
2009-09-30 15:26       ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30 15:26         ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30 17:03     ` Juan Quintela
2009-09-30 19:28     ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2009-09-30 19:28       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-10-01  1:55 ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-01  8:07   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-01 21:02     ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02  4:38     ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-02  5:37       ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 22:33         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-01 12:45   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-01 21:10     ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-01 21:23       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02  0:41         ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 13:29           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02 16:58             ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 18:45               ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-02 18:53                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02 21:39                   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-02 22:28                     ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 23:05                       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-03  0:32                         ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 17:30                           ` [coreboot] " Peter Stuge
2009-10-03 21:49                             ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 21:58                               ` Patrick Georgi
2009-10-04 19:31                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-04 19:39                                   ` Stefan Reinauer
2009-10-05 13:03                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-05 13:23                                       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-05 13:51                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-05 14:43                                           ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-04 19:49                                   ` Patrick Georgi
2009-10-05 13:07                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-03 22:02                               ` Stefan Reinauer
2009-10-03 22:40                                 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 23:03                                   ` Stefan Reinauer
2009-10-03 23:52                                     ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 15:08                     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-03 17:32                       ` [coreboot] " Peter Stuge
2009-10-03 17:40                         ` ron minnich
2009-10-03 18:16                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-03 18:30                             ` Peter Stuge
2009-10-03 19:09                               ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-10-03 19:09                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-03 22:13                           ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 22:19                             ` Patrick Georgi
2009-10-03 23:04                               ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-04 19:35                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-04  4:10                               ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-04 11:16                                 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-04 16:06                                   ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-05  0:29                                     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-03 22:46                             ` Stefan Reinauer
     [not found]                             ` <CB4CCBB6-0EE4-4883-AA4D-2151189C7977@claunia.com>
     [not found]                               ` <2a50f7880910031701s52c901d8u2dfb956f595eeedf@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-04  3:55                                 ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-05 14:08                                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-10-02 20:57                 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 21:37                   ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-10-02 22:19                   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-02  4:55       ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-01 20:50   ` Stuart Brady
2009-10-02  4:51     ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-02 19:07       ` Stuart Brady
2009-10-02 20:21         ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-01 18:45 ` Stefan Weil
2009-10-01 19:02   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-01 19:18     ` Stefan Weil
2009-10-03  4:28 ` TAKEDA, toshiya
2009-10-03  4:28   ` [Qemu-devel] " TAKEDA, toshiya
2009-10-08 13:55 ` Jens Osterkamp
2009-10-08 14:21   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-08 14:21     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 13:09     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 13:09       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 13:53       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 13:53         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 14:01         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 14:01           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 14:04       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 14:04         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 13:21     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 13:21       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 14:17       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 14:17         ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 14:24         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 14:24           ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 15:19           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-14 15:19             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-14 15:50             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 15:50               ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 21:10               ` Sridhar Samudrala
2009-10-14 21:10                 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2009-10-14 22:53                 ` Raw vs. tap (was: Re: Re: Release plan for 0.12.0) Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 22:53                   ` Raw vs. tap (was: Re: [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15  6:36                   ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-15  6:36                     ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-15  7:56                   ` Raw vs. tap (was: " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15  7:56                     ` Raw vs. tap (was: Re: [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 13:32                     ` Raw vs. tap Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 13:32                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 15:04                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 15:04                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 15:18                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 15:18                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 15:48                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 15:48                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 18:37                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 18:37                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 22:08                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 22:08                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-18 10:05                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-18 10:05                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15  7:51                 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Release plan for 0.12.0 Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15  7:51                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-20  6:33 ` Takahiro Hirofuchi
2009-10-20  6:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Takahiro Hirofuchi
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-10-01  8:03 [Qemu-devel] " Laurent Vivier
2009-10-02  4:37 ` Natalia Portillo
     [not found] <4ac463fa.a553f10a.2808.fffff1a9SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
2009-10-01 15:10 ` G 3
2009-10-02  4:45   ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-02  7:36 Laurent Vivier

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