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From: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
To: Patrick Georgi <patrick@georgi-clan.de>
Cc: Coreboot <coreboot@coreboot.org>,
	stepan@coresystems.de,
	Carl-Daniel Hailfinger <c-d.hailfinger.devel.2006@gmx.net>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com>,
	Jordan Justen <jljusten@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [coreboot] [Qemu-devel] Release plan for 0.12.0
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:07:14 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AC9EF82.3050303@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1254685759.4077.104.camel@tetris>

Patrick Georgi wrote:
> Am Sonntag, den 04.10.2009, 14:31 -0500 schrieb Anthony Liguori:
>   
>> I don't know enough about EFI, but my concern is that down the road, 
>> hardware devices will start to exist that require EFI because they 
>> implement EFI modules and not legacy option ROMs.  In order to support 
>> PCI passthrough of such devices, we will need to provide an EFI capable 
>> firmware.
>>     
> Why? They're initialized at boot time (by the host's EFI firmware, if
> necessary), and are usable by the OS then.
>   

EFI defines new interfaces for OSes to use.  A device is going to want 
to provide drivers for those new interfaces.

For instance, EFI defines a SCSI passthrough protocol such that a RAID 
controller could install an EFI SCSI driver and that would allow OSes to 
install to it without requiring special drivers.  Of course, I'm sure 
we'll still see special drivers.

I assume that future RAID controllers will provide both a legacy option 
ROM (int13 hook) and an EFI SCSI driver.  However, I'm also pretty sure 
that we'll see some subset of devices that only provide the EFI modules 
because they target a very specific class of hardware/software that will 
be EFI enabled.

> Beyond boot loaders and toy kernels, firmware level drivers hurt more
> than they help. The world changed since the invention of BIOS in CP/M.
>   

Except that VESA and VGA are still pretty popular.  It's not at all 
uncommon to either use a VESA driver or at least to complete an install 
with just a VESA driver.

-- 
Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-05 13:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-29 23:54 Release plan for 0.12.0 Anthony Liguori
2009-09-29 23:54 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30  0:20 ` Dustin Kirkland
2009-09-30  0:20   ` [Qemu-devel] " Dustin Kirkland
2009-09-30  2:18   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30  2:18     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30  2:28 ` [Qemu-devel] " Isaku Yamahata
2009-09-30  2:28   ` Isaku Yamahata
2009-09-30 13:03   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:03     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:43     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-30 13:43       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-30  5:17 ` Amit Shah
2009-09-30  5:17   ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-09-30 13:04   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:04     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:37     ` Amit Shah
2009-09-30 13:37       ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-09-30 14:47       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 14:47         ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 14:50         ` Amit Shah
2009-09-30 14:50           ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-09-30  6:41 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-09-30  6:41   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-30 13:05   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:05     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-01 21:13     ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-01 21:13       ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-03 10:04       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-05 12:43         ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-05 13:52           ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-30 13:31   ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30  8:53 ` Michael Tokarev
2009-09-30  9:01   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-30  9:31 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-09-30  9:31   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-09-30 13:07   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:07     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 15:59     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-09-30 15:59       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-09-30 19:25       ` Blue Swirl
2009-09-30 13:30 ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30 13:30   ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30 14:45   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 14:45     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 15:03     ` Fred Leeflang
2009-09-30 15:03       ` [Qemu-devel] " Fred Leeflang
2009-09-30 15:26       ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30 15:26         ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30 17:03     ` Juan Quintela
2009-09-30 19:28     ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2009-09-30 19:28       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-10-01  1:55 ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-01  8:07   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-01 21:02     ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02  4:38     ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-02  5:37       ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 22:33         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-01 12:45   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-01 21:10     ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-01 21:23       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02  0:41         ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 13:29           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02 16:58             ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 18:45               ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-02 18:53                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02 21:39                   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-02 22:28                     ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 23:05                       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-03  0:32                         ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 17:30                           ` [coreboot] " Peter Stuge
2009-10-03 21:49                             ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 21:58                               ` Patrick Georgi
2009-10-04 19:31                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-04 19:39                                   ` Stefan Reinauer
2009-10-05 13:03                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-05 13:23                                       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-05 13:51                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-05 14:43                                           ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-04 19:49                                   ` Patrick Georgi
2009-10-05 13:07                                     ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-10-03 22:02                               ` Stefan Reinauer
2009-10-03 22:40                                 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 23:03                                   ` Stefan Reinauer
2009-10-03 23:52                                     ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 15:08                     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-03 17:32                       ` [coreboot] " Peter Stuge
2009-10-03 17:40                         ` ron minnich
2009-10-03 18:16                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-03 18:30                             ` Peter Stuge
2009-10-03 19:09                               ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-10-03 19:09                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-03 22:13                           ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 22:19                             ` Patrick Georgi
2009-10-03 23:04                               ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-04 19:35                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-04  4:10                               ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-04 11:16                                 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-04 16:06                                   ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-05  0:29                                     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-03 22:46                             ` Stefan Reinauer
     [not found]                             ` <CB4CCBB6-0EE4-4883-AA4D-2151189C7977@claunia.com>
     [not found]                               ` <2a50f7880910031701s52c901d8u2dfb956f595eeedf@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-04  3:55                                 ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-05 14:08                                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-10-02 20:57                 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 21:37                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02 22:19                   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-02  4:55       ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-01 20:50   ` Stuart Brady
2009-10-02  4:51     ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-02 19:07       ` Stuart Brady
2009-10-02 20:21         ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-01 18:45 ` Stefan Weil
2009-10-01 19:02   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-01 19:18     ` Stefan Weil
2009-10-03  4:28 ` TAKEDA, toshiya
2009-10-03  4:28   ` [Qemu-devel] " TAKEDA, toshiya
2009-10-08 13:55 ` Jens Osterkamp
2009-10-08 14:21   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-08 14:21     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 13:09     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 13:09       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 13:53       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 13:53         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 14:01         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 14:01           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 14:04       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 14:04         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 13:21     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 13:21       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 14:17       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 14:17         ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 14:24         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 14:24           ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 15:19           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-14 15:19             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-14 15:50             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 15:50               ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 21:10               ` Sridhar Samudrala
2009-10-14 21:10                 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2009-10-14 22:53                 ` Raw vs. tap (was: Re: Re: Release plan for 0.12.0) Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 22:53                   ` Raw vs. tap (was: Re: [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15  6:36                   ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-15  6:36                     ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-15  7:56                   ` Raw vs. tap (was: " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15  7:56                     ` Raw vs. tap (was: Re: [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 13:32                     ` Raw vs. tap Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 13:32                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 15:04                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 15:04                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 15:18                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 15:18                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 15:48                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 15:48                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 18:37                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 18:37                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 22:08                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 22:08                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-18 10:05                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-18 10:05                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15  7:51                 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Release plan for 0.12.0 Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15  7:51                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-20  6:33 ` Takahiro Hirofuchi
2009-10-20  6:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Takahiro Hirofuchi

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