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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Tomas Winkler <tomasw@gmail.com>
Cc: Sujith <m.sujith@gmail.com>,
	Sujith <Sujith.Manoharan@atheros.com>,
	"linville@tuxdriver.com" <linville@tuxdriver.com>,
	"linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org" <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
	Luis Rodriguez <Luis.Rodriguez@atheros.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] mac80211: Re-enable aggregation
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:24:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1224696269.30459.15.camel@johannes.berg> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1ba2fa240810220441o5b86e29co183deb7dc273fb0a@mail.gmail.com> (sfid-20081022_134116_057747_7F7CB0C2)

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On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 13:41 +0200, Tomas Winkler wrote:

> >> * mac80211 sends down a frame
> >>    * Initiate an aggregation session for the <RA,TID> if one isn't already in progress.
> >
> > It seems that should be a rate control decision? Possibly taking into
> > account more than just always doing aggregation sessions. Then again, I
> > suppose aggregation sessions are cheap. What about latency here?
> 
> Aggregation has it's overhead, both computing resources and on the
> air. Obvious that it has negative affect on latency so if the 'minimum
> HW queue depth'  is not satisfied the  packets
> are delayed till the queue is full enough.

That would be "do I have enough frames to aggregate them"?

> In iwl-agn-rs scale we keep track of  current tpt to take decision
> about starting aggregation. The throughput watch  can be viewed as
> different entity it was just convenient and conceptually fit  to
> incorporate into rate scale.

Sure, that kinda makes sense. The RC algorithm is conceptually
responsible for making sure things go as fast as possible :)

> > Obviously. But why isn't this done in parallel? I mean, why not send out
> > the frame and do addba and don't aggregate until addba was successful,
> > that would mean no latency for those frames... addba could even time out
> > which would add a lot of latency, no?
> 
> The negotiation is done on starting sequence number.

Ah, good point.

johannes

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-22 17:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-20  8:22 [RFC] mac80211: Re-enable aggregation Sujith
2008-10-20  8:31 ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20  8:35   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-20  8:45     ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20  8:47       ` Sujith
2008-10-20  8:55         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-20  8:57           ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20  9:01             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-20  9:04               ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20  9:05                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-20  9:11                 ` Sujith
2008-10-20  8:57       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-20  8:58   ` Sujith
2008-10-20  9:12     ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20  9:31       ` Sujith
2008-10-20  9:38         ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20 10:35           ` Sujith
2008-10-20 12:22             ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20 18:03               ` Sujith
2008-10-20 21:46                 ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-21  6:46                   ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-21  7:18                   ` Sujith
2008-10-22 10:03                   ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-22 11:59                     ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-22 17:22                       ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-23  8:57                         ` Sujith
2008-10-23 14:46                           ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-27 14:25                             ` Sujith
2008-10-27 15:04                               ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-27 15:56                                 ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-27 16:04                                   ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-28 14:24                                     ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-22 10:00                 ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-22 11:41                   ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-22 17:24                     ` Johannes Berg [this message]
2008-10-23  9:31                   ` Sujith
2008-10-23 14:45                     ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-23 17:23                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-23 18:31                         ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-23 20:18                           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-23 21:17                             ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-31  1:26                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-27 14:11                       ` Sujith
2008-10-27 15:07                         ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20  9:14     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-20  9:24       ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20 10:07         ` Sujith
2008-10-20 10:15           ` Johannes Berg

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