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From: Sujith <m.sujith@gmail.com>
To: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
Cc: Sujith <Sujith.Manoharan@atheros.com>,
	"linville@tuxdriver.com" <linville@tuxdriver.com>,
	"linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org" <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
	Luis Rodriguez <Luis.Rodriguez@Atheros.com>,
	"tomasw@gmail.com" <tomasw@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] mac80211: Re-enable aggregation
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:33:50 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <18684.51206.771543.514682@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1224505349.27899.17.camel@johannes.berg>

Johannes Berg wrote:
> > Probably because 11n aggregation have more rigorous timing requirements
> > between frames.
> 
> What kind? I can only find the ampdu spacing/length exponent stuff.
> 

I am not sure, either.

> > > I guess there's no clear answer here. How about "whichever you want"?
> > > Though I think I prefer pushing them down as that makes the model easier
> > > to understand. It probably also makes the Intel case easier to
> > > implement.
> > 
> > A way to pull down buffered frames for each TID (like ieee80211_get_buffered_bc() )
> > would be really useful for ath9k.
> 
> I'm not sure, that seems like a useful thing initially, but leaves a lot
> of stuff for the driver. We should probably think about moving more
> things *up* into mac80211 rather than giving the driver more access to
> low-level details. This would also allow us possibly even send A-MPDU
> mcast when acting as an HT AP, something the driver cannot easily do.
> 
> Can you explain the way it currently works in ath9k?
> 

Alright, it goes something like this:

* mac80211 sends down a frame
   * Initiate an aggregation session for the <RA,TID> if one isn't already in progress.
   * Pause the TID, i.e, add further frames to the TID's queue.
      * If ADDBA exchange is successful, resume TID.
         * Form aggregates from the TID's buffer list, send them out.
           ( Take care to maintain minimum HW queue depth for aggregation )
      * If ADDBA exchange fails, flush TID.
         * Send TID's pending frames as normal frames (non-ampdu)

Now, assuming we have a successful aggregation session going,
frame handling looks like this:

* mac80211 sends down a frame
   * Append to TID's buffer list.

On TX Completion,

* Process all TX queues
   * Process all complete descriptors.
      * Complete all sub-frames of an aggregate that were ACKed (send status to mac80211).
      * Re-queue sub-frames that were not ACKed back to the TID's pending queue.
          * Schedule this TID for processing.
   * Run through all scheduled TIDs
      * Form aggregates from the pending buffers and send them out.
        ( Again, maintain minimum HW depth )

So, aggregation is currently done on a need-to basis, and changing this
to a flow where mac80211 sends down frames with A-MPDU related control information
would mean a complete rewrite of ath9k's TX path. :-)

> Also, I'm trying to understand the relation between a block-ack
> agreement and A-MDPU, I understand that without a block-ack-agreement
> aggregation isn't very useful, but could we not, for example, implement
> (regular) delayed block-ack with much the same infrastructure?
> 

Immediate Block-Ack is mandatory for 11n, delayed BA is optional.
ath9k currently maintains the BA window state internally too.
Another candidate that can be moved to mac80211, IMO.

> What I could also imagine is that mac80211 simply does pretty much
> everything and hands a number of skbs to the driver at once with some
> additional information about how to aggregate them, what sort of spacing
> to use, etc. It should be able to calculate all the required stuff since
> it knows from the rate control algorithm what's happening there. That
> might leave Intel out a bit, but I'm starting to think that we want to
> special-case them a bit anyway.

Well, I really don't know how this would affect performance, but
I think this _might_ be a better model.

Sujith

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-20 18:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-20  8:22 [RFC] mac80211: Re-enable aggregation Sujith
2008-10-20  8:31 ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20  8:35   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-20  8:45     ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20  8:47       ` Sujith
2008-10-20  8:55         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-20  8:57           ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20  9:01             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-20  9:04               ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20  9:05                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-20  9:11                 ` Sujith
2008-10-20  8:57       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-20  8:58   ` Sujith
2008-10-20  9:12     ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20  9:31       ` Sujith
2008-10-20  9:38         ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20 10:35           ` Sujith
2008-10-20 12:22             ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20 18:03               ` Sujith [this message]
2008-10-20 21:46                 ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-21  6:46                   ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-21  7:18                   ` Sujith
2008-10-22 10:03                   ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-22 11:59                     ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-22 17:22                       ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-23  8:57                         ` Sujith
2008-10-23 14:46                           ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-27 14:25                             ` Sujith
2008-10-27 15:04                               ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-27 15:56                                 ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-27 16:04                                   ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-28 14:24                                     ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-22 10:00                 ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-22 11:41                   ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-22 17:24                     ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-23  9:31                   ` Sujith
2008-10-23 14:45                     ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-23 17:23                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-23 18:31                         ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-23 20:18                           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-23 21:17                             ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-31  1:26                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-27 14:11                       ` Sujith
2008-10-27 15:07                         ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20  9:14     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-20  9:24       ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-20 10:07         ` Sujith
2008-10-20 10:15           ` Johannes Berg

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